THIS MORNING I WOKE UP with this rhyme going through my head.
Oranges and Lemons
Oranges and lemons
Say the bells of St Clements
You owe me five farthings
Say the bells of St Martins
When will you pay me?
Say the bells of Old Bailey
When I grow rich
Say the bells of Shoreditch
When will that be?
Say the bells of Stepney
I do not know
Says the great bell at Bow
Here comes a candle to light you to bed
Here comes a chopper to chop off your head
Chip-chop chip-chop chip-chop-chop!
Brings me right back to my childhood. The place-names form a musical tour of old London. The tune to which it is sung does recall churchbells very vividly. I remember this being "performed" at kiddies' parties, the children pairing off, holding hands in a row. Then one child walks through as the arms are brought down as the choppers.
Do children still sing these songs, I wonder? And are they sung anywhere abroad? I've never heard of American kids singing Oranges and Lemons.
The origins of these rhymes are often sinister and grotesque: Oranges and Lemons is no exception. It dates back to the reign of Henry VIII, the "happy headchopper" ... need I say more?
The other one that was very popular with future stoners (how many times have I heard drug-abusers recall how they "used to spin round and round till they fell over" in childhood:
Ring-a-ring of roses
A pocket full of posies.
A-tissue! A-tissue!
We all fall down.
This one is chanted, not sung. The children hold hands in a circle and skip round faster and faster until they dizzily fall on the floor in a heap. Always a popular move with the under-sevens.
This one dates back to the times when bubonic plague was terrorizing the heart of England. The "ring of roses," supposedly refers to the rosy spots that were often the first symptom of the deadly illness. Nice smells and posies were said to afford protection from the "bad air" that brought with it plague. Sneezing was often taken as a first sign of infection. "We all fall down." - yes - dead.
And last but not least:
Mary Mary quite contrary
How does your garden grow?
With silver bells
And cockle shells
And pretty maids all in a row.
The Contrary Mary was Bloody Mary, "silver bells and cockle shells" refer to instruments of torture (click the link to find out); the "maids all in a row" were "maidens" - an early form of the guillotine!
OUR WORLD - HADRIAN's WALL, UK
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As usual wherever I go my friends the Romans have been there already even
in the UK and they left a lot of traces ! One of them is Hadrian's Wall.
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Never heard of "Oranges and Lemons". We definitely used to sing "Ring Around the Rosie". But we'd say "...ashes, ashes, we all fall down". We used to say "Mary Mary, quite contrary....." just like you had it. And, of course, we'd sing "London Bridge is falling down".
Kids are only told nursery rhymes to prepare them for the horror of meeting clowns. It's a wonder any of us didn't drop dead from fright.
WS
Speaking only for myself I only knew the last two nursery rhymes. Nursery rhymes, clowns and fairytales. How did parents ever let us have access to such horrors! :)
GLEDS!
Now kids are soooo much different! Ewww! They now only think abt sweel gadgets & computers & mobile phones. Heck, they have better phones than i do :D omg!
I was in a bus once & two 7 year old were talking:
- hey, i got a new cell phone!
- no shit?
- yeah, gimme ur skype & i will show ya a picture
- okay, its destroyer666
OMG! kids swearing that much! even i don't swear this much :D & i DO have to wash my mouth with SOAP from time to time, ya know?
How have u been doing, Gleds?
Thanks for sharing. I have not heard of Oranges and Lemons. Another one which I know of is Humpty Dumpty which was really a seige machine for breaching castle walls. Defenders would of course try to make Humpty Dumpty fall off the wall. I think this dates to the English Civil War.
everytime I hear oranges and lemons, it makes me think of "1984". It was a very pivotal plot developer.
Did you know there was a version with more bells in
"Oranges and Lemons" say the Bells of St. Clements
"Bullseyes and Targets" say the Bells of St. Margaret's
"Brickbats and Tiles" say the Bells of St. Giles
"Halfpence and Farthings" say the Bells of St. Martin's
"Pancakes and Fritters" say the Bells of St. Peter's
"Two Sticks and an Apple" say the Bells of Whitechapel
"Maids in white aprons" say the Bells at St. Katherine's
"Pokers and Tongs" say the Bells of St. John's
"Kettles and Pans" say the Bells of St. Anne's
"Old Father Baldpate" say the slow Bells of Aldgate
"You owe me Ten Shillings" say the Bells of St. Helen's
"When will you Pay me?" say the Bells of Old Bailey
"When I grow Rich" say the Bells of Shoreditch
"Pray when will that be?" say the Bells of Stepney
"I do not know" say the Great Bell of Bow
Rx
Yes, I grew up with that rhyme.!
And, my local one was:-
"Ride a cock horse to Banbury Cross, and see a white lady on a white horse. She shall have rings on her fingers & bells on her toes, and music where ever she goes!!!
Blue
didn't know those nursery rhymes had such horrible histories.
Help me- I keep sleeping! I'm not sad and NOOO the methadone does NOT make me sad but i am sleeping way too much! I fell asleep at 5 and woke up the next moring at 10 and then took a nap at 12 when I was reading a book but then.. I used to be some one considered "OVER-motivated." This is really driving me nuts, I've never done THIS.
I wish I had some ritalin.
I'll start by taking some coffee and perhaps some sudafed..
Thanks for all the info everyone.
Edyta you asked how i was actually i feel deathly depressed that is why i avoided posting about myself.
Ivy have you been reading too much??
I've been sleeping all the time as well. I don't think it has anything to do with the time of year or the weather. I just feel horrible anyway and would rather be asleep.
Ho-hum ...
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In Canada, we sang:
Ring-around the rosie,
A pocket full of posies.
Hush-a! Hush-a!
We all fall down.
I think the "hush-a" was to emulate sneezing originally since it was apparently a Black Plague nursery rhyme (happy thoughts, eh!) but we didn't chant it that way as kids.
No Oranges and Lemons in Canada, to my knowledge. But "Ride a cock horse" we had to set to music in one of my music classes in university, using the Kodaly/Orff methods - ah, the memories.
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